The Redhunter

It's still probably not as many as the number of children in the foster system that fail to be adopted by this anti-choice crowd....Just saying....

Hi Toad, thank you for stopping by.

What exactly is your point? That killing babies is a better option than placing them in foster care if no adoptive parent can be found?

Further, if we did adopt all of the children in foster care, would you then be in favor of laws banning abortion?

I didn't say anything about killing babies...I am not pro-"killing babies"...I don't advocate any babies being killed...What I am is pro-choice for women to decide whether or not they want to evacuate the clump of cells growing inside of them and not be just a baby dispenser.

Even the Bible distinguishes the difference between "people" and murder and a pregnancy.

Exodus 21:12He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
vs.
22If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life

So what they are saying is that if you kill a pregnant woman or kill a man, that is murder which is punishable by death but if you harm a pregnant woman which causes her pregnancy to terminate, it is worth something, the offender must pay the husband something for that loss, but it isn't considered murder or taking a life.

Then there is what Jesus said about abortion, which is:____________________

Oh, right, nothing.

I mean, if you are against abortion for non-biblical reasons then fine, but it isn't considered "a baby" or "murder" in the Bible.

Also consider that over 17% of the children in this country live in poverty and almost exactly 18 years after Roe v Wade, crime rates dropped dramatically...Partly due to people not being forced to have unwanted children that end up being neglected or grow up in the foster system or single parent, teenage homes....Who are more likely to commit crime than wanted children in dual parent homes raised by adults for instance.

I know a guy who has adopted two kids...He gets the right to take a stand on abortion...Until you do, you aren't part of the solution. No one cares about Super Bowl ads with Tim Tebow or those pictures you show women going into Planned Parenthood getting papsmears...In fact, that only turns people against your cause.

So what I am saying is that by not allowing eggs to fertilize or terminating a zygote or blastocyst is better than forcing women to become baby dispensers...I can guarantee you that if Men could become pregnant for 9 months and would get stuck with babies, this wouldn't even be an issue..Abortion would have been legal long ago.

Interesting, Toad.

"Then there is what Jesus said about abortion, which is:____________________"

The heart of the matter is this; do you or do you not believe a baby in a mother's womb is a person? If no, then of course abortion should be legal and it's all a question of choice. If yes, then of course it should be illegal. You can't kill a 1 year old, and you can't kill someone in the womb.

What does the Bible have to say about all this? Let's start with Matthew 1:18

This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

Christ Jesus (Christ being a title translated from the Hebrew "Messiah") therefore existed not from birth on, but from conception on. Life, therefore, starts at conception, not birth.

Further, contrary to what you say, God, through His own word and through His prophets, has quite a bit to say about abortion, and there are many passages and sections which support the pro-life position. Here are just a few:

Genesis 9:5 – “Murder is forbidden.”

Psalm 51:5 – “I was born a sinner – yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.”

Jeremiah 1:5 – “I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb.”

So you see, it's quite clear that life begins not at birth, but at conception.

Does this mean that Christians condemn women who have had abortions and want to see them thrown in jail, as some pro-choicers believe? Not at all!

1 John 1-9 – “If we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us from every wrong.”

Isaiah 1:18 – “No matter how deep the stain of your sins, I can remove it. I can make you as clean as freshly fallen snow. Even if you are stained as red as crimson, I can make you as white as sand.”

Although my guess is you won't follow these links, you can go here, here, here, and here for details.

"Also consider that over 17% of the children in this country live in poverty and almost exactly 18 years after Roe v Wade, crime rates dropped dramatically...Partly due to people not being forced to have unwanted children that end up being neglected or grow up in the foster system or single parent, teenage homes....Who are more likely to commit crime than wanted children in dual parent homes raised by adults for instance."

You actually think it's better to kill babies rather than take the chance that they'll live in foster care or in poverty? This is part and parcel of the eugenics movement of the early part of the last century, where progressives advocated abortion as a means of keeping "undesirables" under control. And it's only a small step from killing the unborn to killing the newly born as a means to "save" them from the "horrors" of foster care and whatnot.

"He gets the right to take a stand on abortion"

Shall I go through your posts on your blog and demand whether you've done this or that before you can take a stand on an issue? That would be silly. This is just your way of attempting to silence arguments you disagree with, and it's a typical liberal tactic. And typically, liberals never think that there are any positions that they can't take themselves due to some deficit of "moral authority."

So my question is that do you tend towards freedom or would you rather take your cues from Communist dictators?